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it's time to raise taxes on the rich. but, speaker john boehner is sticking to his talking points; at least publically. he's refusing to budge. >> the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the pa closer we get to this year's fiscal close. >> boehner can blame the president all he wants. the reality is americans want to compromise. a new nbc wall street journal shows 65% want both sides to come together and make a deal. but that's not what's been happening in these talks. president obama made his opening offer, the republicans responded. the president then came back with a counter offer that included some concessions, so far so good. that's how negotiations work. but, then, republicans went the other way. they came back with an offer that was even more out of bounds than the first one. nbc news reports boehner now wants to make the bush tax cuts for the rich permanent. what's he thinking? we're going in the wrong direction in this country when it comes to economic fairness. incomes for the top 20% in this country are now eight times greater than the incomes for the bot
unreasonable fiscal negotiations continue. the president met with house speaker john boehner at the white house on sunday, though aides from both sides kept mum on the details of their discussions. a new poll by politico and george washington university shows that three in five americans back raising taxes on the wealthy, which echos the results from election day and a washington post-abc news poll released recently. in the meantime, some on the right seem to have come to terms with the inevitable, including former republican senator alan simps simpson. >> if anybody out there that is "rich" doesn't think their taxes are going up, the drink is on me. >> even with reality from some in his own corner, john boehner is facing mutany. aircraft erickson tweeted out how can you fire speaker boehner. linking to a letter encouraging readers to pressure their congress members to block boehner's re-election to the speakership. boehner is also catching flack for ahs ousting idealogical conservative members from the top gop house committees. >> it's a slap in the face of all young people who are out there t
the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> of out of balance. kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. so now what? will they sit down and talk it through? well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no e-mails, tweets, carrier pigeons. as for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the white house holiday party last night in black tie. while other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president, multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasn't among them. so much for holiday cheer. we have this picture. we're wait fworg the day there's a fiscal cliff. there wasn't total silence in washington today. senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. but in his case, in the form of a swipe. >> i sympathyize with john boehner. the key party has a firm grip on the republican p
boehner and president obama over the past three days have been shrouded in secrecy, we've learned there have been two offers put on the table. the white house sent boehner a proposal on monday calling for $1.4 trillion in tax revenue, $200 billion less than the original offer. might that seal the deal? >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> okay then. the speaker's office responded with a deal of its own. yesterday it included precisely the same amount of revenue from the original proposal, $800 billion, which indicates there may have been concessions else where. a democratic source close to the white house tells nbc news the proposal included a permanent extension of the bush tax cuts. that is highly unlikely to fly, given the hard line the president has taken on tax rates and what he told barbara walters in an interview airing this friday on "20/20." >> taxes are going to go up one way or another and the key is to make sure taxes go up on high-end individuals like you and me, barbara, we can afford it. it's enti
's a distinct chill in the air. after the exchange of new offers, the president phones john boehner last night for one what aide described as a tense call. the speaker today, he had a bit of trouble finding just the right word. >> the president and i had a deliberate talk. i didn't say it was tense. the president and i had a pretty frank conversation. >> okay, well, whether it was tense or deliberate or frank, it's clear it wasn't cheerful or chummy. >> we spoke honestly and openly about the differences that we face. i was born with a glass half full. i remain the most optimistic person in this town. but we've got some serious differences. >> serious differences, indeed. democratic sources tell nbc that the reason for the tension was nestled in republicans' latest counter offer which included a permanent extension of tax cuts for the wealthy. yes, they're not just guilding the lily, they're gilding the gilded. >> holding hostage the middle income tax cuts to tax cuts for the wealthy. that's getting really stale. it's getting really old. and the closer we get to christmas, it's really getting b
as speaker boehner doesn't require there be a majority of his majority to pass that bill, i think we can get that done. i have a sense that's kind of a way we're moving. as to spending, and some of the other matters, i think that's going to be something where the can's kicked down the road in to next year. >> that seems to be the common theme today. i've watched your colleagues on our air and read comments in different newspapers. it seems that that's where we are right now. get this issue of the tax cuts complete so that the american people will have at least some comfort and then as you pointed out, kick the can down the road. i have heard people say this is groundhog day. this is the same thing over and over again. it seems that -- this seems to be a repeat performance. >> well, i think due to a certain extent that's true and happening -- will be happening at the beginning of a session. and we're going to about 85 or 86 new members here, a few more democrats and hopefully a refreshed membership that will actually look to do this. now, you talked about the schedule and actually next year's
no progress as all sides jockey for position. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> speaker john boehner issued a downer offer yesterday. >> the white house quickly dismissed it. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> it is more of the same. >> it is not me being positive. it is the math. >> magic math. >> magic beans and fairy dust. >> president obama did win the election. >> me thinks somebody made him king. >> no. i don't think that's right. >> he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> are we that far apart? >> both sides want a deal. >> a matter of math. >> try to stay away from hypotheticals. >> it won't pass. >> discussions abo u >> unicorns. >> they're imaginary beasts. >> magic beans. >> magic math. >> an enchanted universe. >> outrageous. >> the whole thing is going wacky. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> i don't envy the position the speaker is in. >> we're nowhere. you just might feel under attack. >> john boehner's power move. >> roll over and do what i ask. >> having the reins on the tea party. >> does he have real allies at this poin
. boehner met face-to-face. >> i'm not happy. >> go ahead and give the president the 2% increase. >> will i accept a tax increase as a part of a deal to actually solve our problems? yes. >> you know what the republicans do have is they have debt ceiling coming up. joots a slap in the face of all the young people who are out there thinking about being republicans. >> no way around. >> rotten eggs. >> this is impossible. >> i think maybe the republicans have an upper hand. >> if anybody out there who is, quote, rich doesn't think their taxings go up, the drinks are on me. >> beer, and i hope it tastes as good as you all look. ♪ >>> it's a brand new week, and with the fiscal cliff just 22 days away, the president is on the move heading to michigan to rally autoworkers' support for higher taxes on the wealthy and greater investment in u.s. manufacturing. the president traveled to a suburb of detroit touring an engine plant that's announcing a $100 million expansion in production and jobs. and even as the president touted that economic bright spot, he renewed his case to extend tax cuts for 98
boehner boxed in and is done playing games. now it's getting good. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%. that includes all of you. >> the president holds the line on taxes and draws the line on the debt ceiling. >> i will not play that game. >> tonight, democratic whip steny hoyer gives me the latest fiscal cliff developments and the democratic line on medicare. tom perriello from the center of american progress action fund on how democrats can deal with republicans who can't deal with reality. rubio and ryan reload with a new message for the middle class. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. >> but there is no escaping their own policies. >> we're going to a majority of takers versus makers in america. >> dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz responds tonight. plus, senator barbara boxer on her new plan for national polling place standards. and a new poll shows half of all republicans think the defunct group a.c.o.r.n. stole the election from president obama. >> that's an eye opener. >> i wo
obama called boehner and asked for more details on taxes. boehner's office said they're waiting for more details on spenting cuts. liz, why does it matter who gives what details first? what's the game here? >> well, i think what you're saying is whoever gives the details first, the other side is going to have an advantage to either position against those details. you know, the white house during health care debate, for example, was very -- it was, you know, step back and didn't give many details as to what they wanted to do because at the beginning because they didn't want to target on their back. i think this is almost a game of chicken right now. the problem is it's a game of chicken with very, very high stakes. and you've got the white house out there, you know, publicly putting pressure on republicans by sending obama, for example, to michigan but gamt trying to negotiate behind the scenes with boehner. and it's a two-prong strategy that i think carries real risk. >> it's kind of negotiation 101. i mean, the most basic kind of negotiation, you know, don't show your hand if you don't
, that's right. now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole.ç but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than what john boehner proposed this week. what john boehner is advocating is making medicare available to fewer americans. as it happens, there is brand-new polling out today on how americans feel about the idea of congress using these deficit negotiations to make cuts to medicare. 79% of americans say they do not want congress to touch medicare in these deficit negotiations. 79%. if you want to get specific about john boehner's proposal, what he wants to do to medicare is to raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67. and as it turns out, there is also recent polling on that specific pr
cliff blame game on friday. the rhetoric heats up as the clock winds down. today house speaker boehner and nancy pelosi held duelling news conferences slamming the other side for not taking the looming crisis seriously. >> this isn't a progress report, because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> we've had time. the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter lacking in specifics. >> meanwhile, vice president biden is having lunch with several middle class americans who would see their income taxes go up if the tax cuts are not extended. all of this comes as the first jobs report since the election exceeded expectations. the u.s. economy added some 146,000 jobs last month. that was enough it to drive the unemployment rate down to 7.7%. joining me to talk about all of it, florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and she chairs the democratic national committee. goo
have a great night. >>> john boehner is now >> this isn't a progress report because there is no progress to report. >> fiscal cliff negotiations. >> one-on-one right now. >> are now a party of two. >> the two most important players. >> the president and the speaker. >> president obama and house speaker john boehner. >> a two-man operation. >> there is no progress. >> we are seeing progress. >> there is a jobs report today. >> unemployment down to 7.7%. better than expected. thank you very much. >> we dropped a whole point in a year. >> there is no progress. >> members of congress are always upset. >> they are taking us to the cliff. >> the momentum is with the president. >> republicans are totally over the barrel. >> did you say over? >> they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> nothing is over until we decide it is! >> we didn't elect them to raise rate. >> not me! >> we don't have a revenue problem. >> i'm not going to take this. >> when are you going to fight? >> let's do it! >> how is that winning? that isn't winning. >> i don't think republicans will win.
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. >> brings more obstruction from speaker boehner. >> the white house has wasted another week. washington has a spending problem, not a revenue problem. >> and a dodge on jobs. >> why take such a risk when the jobs number is improving? >> well, because the risk the president wants us to take, increasing tax rates, will hit many small businesses. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking. christmas is coming. the goose is getting fat. >> plus, go on. >> south carolina senator jim demint is dequitting. >> run stephen, run. >> you want somebody young, conservative, from south carolina. maybe who has super pac pointing -- wait a second. ♪ >> thank goodness it's friday and it's a busy one at that. we have breaking news. within the last hour, the supreme court has announced that it will for the first time take up appeals on same-sex marriage. hearing cases on the defense of marriage act and california's proposition 8. much more on that in a moment, and the busy week ends with some good news for america's workers and the president. a little christmas cheer some early. the u.s. economy gen
. speaker john boehner meets this morning with house republicans who are angry at his new pitch to raise $800 billion in tax revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins m
called speaker boehner their first conversation of the week. the two sides agreed on one thing. they wouldn't characterize the conversation. aides even refused to say how long the two leaders talked. this latest move, though, treasury secretary timothy geithner showed cnbc wednesday the white house is prepared to go over the cliff if democrats and republicans fail to get a deal done. >> when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000, if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there is no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> and that is the important phrase there, prepared to go off the cliff if there is no agreement on raising those rates. we're going to get to that in a minute. utah republican senator orrin hatch fired back and said, quote this, is one of the most stunning and irresponsible statements i've heard in some time. the american people want us to find a reasonable path forward not to rattle o
. ? in washington, closed door meetings with the president and john boehner. >>> in the midwest, the fiscal cliff is the latest thing on people's minds as the first blizzard of the winter brings the region to a halt, highways closed and scores of flights canceled. that story is just ahead. >>> first, let's get to the news live at 5:30 here at "30 rock" in new york city. well, we begin with the new urgency in the fiscal cliff negotiations with now just 21 days, three weeks to reach a deal. today president obama returns to campaign mode taking the fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house, their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. so what happened? well, neither side revealed anything about the meetings, only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate banking commission said his party should consider the president's idea of raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> there is a gr
, president obama, house speaker john boehner, met face to face at the white house today for the first time in more than three weeks. we do not have any details about today's conversations but reps on both sides say the lines of communication remain open. the two men last met on november 16th. also today, another republican senator announced his support for raising tax rates on wealthy americans. tennessee senator bob corker says if the gop agrees to the wealthy tax hike, republicans would be better positioned to negotiate for bigger spending cuts on social security and medicare. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year-end. a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i think it has merit where you give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%. and all of a sudden, the shift goes back to entitlements. and all of a sudden, once you give him the rate on the top 2%, it's actually much lesser tax increase than what he's been talking abo
>>> i'm toure. look who's talking. president obama and speaker boehner. they had a weekend rendezvous at the white house. taxes, spending cuts. >>> i'm susan in for s.e. today. michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes to gay marriage the train can't be stop. neither can we. it's "the cycle" and it's monday, december 10th. >>> it's monday, fun day here at "the cycle." let's get the party started. where will it land today? fiscal cliff? huh. so much for fun. well you know what? we at "the cycle" can make it fun. look at this. the president living it up in motown last hour calling on republicans to stop being party poopers. >> i believe america only su
. now it is time for the last word. >> it's back! the debt ceiling. >> house speaker john boehner took to the house floor only a few hours ago. >> john boehner was on the floor. >> people know that the president and i met on sunday. >> and said his meeting was nice. >> it was a nice meeting. it was cordial. >> cordial. >> we have to cut spending. >> holding back when it comes to spending cuts. >> republicans have been ratcheting up their rhetoric. >> get the tax issue off the table. >> we don't have the leverage. >> you can't tax your way out of this baby. >> throw in the towel on this tax rates issue. >> they have the debt ceiling. >> keep your eye on the debt ceiling. >> the debt ceiling part of this deal. >> the leverage is going to shift. >> it's their leverage. >> the leverage is going to shift. >> and maybe their only leverage. >> and you want to have leverage. >> that's leverage. >> that's making it worse. >> investors are preparing to go off the cliff. >> this is almost a game of chicken. >> negotiation 101. >> are republicans feeling the pressure? we have stopped being tethere
and more likely that the republicans forced to give in on taxes. house speaker john boehner after a secret white house meeting this weekend says the lines of communication between both sides remain open. but what would the gop demand for a concession on taxes and how much leverage do they have left? let's bring back dr. jay john allen for politico. how are you, sir? >> doing very well. i was concerned about the wheel of misfortune there on the fiscal cliff. >> i'm worried about it, too. but let's talk about that. how much leverage do the republicans have? we know that the president has leverage because elections matter but what kind of leverage do the republicans have? >> i think the president wants to get this taken care of, not worry about a debt ceiling in the future and the republicans with their effort in that debate and some negotiating room for the republicans. they would like to see serious entitlement reforms or a movement in that direction and a system set up to try to do major tax reform. i think some of that may happen. we are seeing some democrats show some willingness to tink
cliff. the president is john boehner are facing off for what couldçe a down to the wire nail-biter of a fiscal fight. indeed, the stakes are so high, the pressure so intense, that the house is calling it quits for the week. giving themselves another much deserved break. of course, not before demanding action from the president. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on, so we asked the president, sit down with us. >> i'll be here, i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> of course the speaker had to clarify that since the house is not back in session till tuesday. leaving just three days on the legislative calendar to get a deal. don't work too hard, guys. the president began his day meeting with business leaders a suring them he passionately roots for their success. even as he broke the news face to face that their taxes are going up. >>. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in in way that will affect your spending, lifes
but he does not tell checking all his vast stockhold ings. >>neil: the president and speaker boehner meeting. is it because my superpowers are clearly working? a reminder that is built to scale. no need to thank me now, citizens of earth because we may have gotten them together, but yours truly is not happy with what he is hearing. >> welcome, everyone, on a busy morning, i am neil cavuto. one step back, 21 days before the big day. the deal taking shape would put off $100 million in spending cuts by finding savings now but the cuts could be addressed next fall with the potential tax hike as a trigger, a reverse sequestration. so back up for the tax hikes. that would be like me saying i will go on a diet next year. it doesn't mean i will be eating fewer canollis this year. it is time to watch this, my co-super hero. what do you make of this? i'm not encouraged. >>guest: not encouraged. we started hearing when speaker boehner started talking framework, that is kicking the can down the road. the irony is, the debt ceiling debacle from last year they said it would be the last one, when w
the fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house, their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. so what happened? well, neither side revealed anything about the meetings, only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate banking commission said his party should consider the president's idea of raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrat's hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i think it has merit where you go in and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2% and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. i actually am beginning to believe that is the best route for us to take. >
specifics, we do know the president and john boehner talked on the phone last night and that call, according to a republican familiar with it, was tense and lasted just 15 minutes. i want to bring in real clear politics reporter aaron mcpike and david hawkings, editor of the cq roll call daily briefing. good morning. so president obama sat down with barbara walters last night. here's what he said. >> most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. >> so he's confident. is it almost a foregone conclusion, do you think, david, that this is going to be the first piece of the puzzle that falls into place? >> i'm pretty confident that that's going to have to be the first piece of the puzzle that falls into place. but i think it's going to take until the very last second for the pieces to fall. >> why? >> why. because -- that's a great question. because both sides, it's in both sides' best interests to make this l
melissa: take a look at that. adam: another week wasted. that is how john boehner described the fiscal cliff negotiations. it is not painful until the very end of the year. how this benefits the company. adam: the note dropped 7.7%, the lowest rate since december 2008. that is just a headline. let's get to nicole petallides. the traders are reading a bit into this report. nicole: the first thing they noted when i came in here, a lot of them are talking about the fact that the prior month had been revised lower. the prior month which seemed like they were good news, in fact, were not as good as they seemed. they take these numbers with a grain of salt. the dow, nasdaq and s&p are mixed today. the dow is up about one third of 1%. what is interesting, this will be our third wedding week in a row. they have not been dramatic moves, but last week was pretty slots. jpmorgan and bank of america are some names on the dow that are holding on pretty nicely. the tech heavy nasdaq down one half of 1%. adam: a lot of people watching that jobs number. thank you very much. dennis: accordin
now it is the president, speaker boehner, and perhaps mcconnell and perhaps pelosi but right now --. >>neil: the best-case-scenario we hear, senator, is republicans agree to hike the taxes depending on the details with a promise they will address spending next year. republicans argue they have been that way before. >>guest: i have bench front property in arizona if you would accept that deal. >>neil: you would not? >>guest: no, i would not. >>neil: you want to see the cuts now? >>guest: in 1986 ronald reagan sat down with the democrats. they had a deal. that was cut spending for $3 for every dollar they raise in taxes. guess what? they raised the taxes and never cut the spending. there is reason for us to be cautious about that. there has to be a way through this. maybe it will take the market starting to send a signal and people taking actions in anticipation of this raising of the taxes. do you know an economist that doesn't believe we will not go into a recession. >>neil: the markets do not lately seem to be too worried. do you think no deal is better than a bad deal? >>guest:
john boehner, when the speaker, with all due respected, is talking about what is acceptable, he doesn't have a choice. the only issue, if the president was unwilling to sign something that does not have the rates go up, they're going up at the end of the year. >> can i just say, the president has a political advantage right now, obviously. but he has to figure out a way to turn that into a substantive accomplishment. this kind of advantage that you see could shift the longer this continues and the closer we get to a cliff. so, at a certain point, he's going to have to pivot. >> i think, you know, right now, the less republicans blink, the administration this week, they are absolutely ready to go over the cliff on the tax side. in some ways, that might make a deal easier. no republican would ever have to vote to raise taxes. you can reduce taxes for the vast majority of americans. and you can couple that with some spending restraints. it may be easier. a lot of people scratching their heads about it if you go over the cliff on the tax side. >> i still think that that is not the optimum
established on both sides. the president and john boehner have reportedly not even taken time to speak to each other when face-to-face yesterday at a white house christmas event but it seems both sides can agree that the sky is blue on the one issue when keeping tax cuts where they are for the middle class. >> right. >> why can't we get that one step accomplished and maybe move on to step two which is a bigger and bolder plan? >> that's what congressional democrats and president obama would like to see happen, and we have a discharge petition, which would bring the bill that has been sent from the senate and pass the senate overwhelmingly sent to the house, take that bill up and give, extend the tax breaks to the middle class and give certainty to the middle class as we move to, continue to move into the holiday season. all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and
leadership, maybe more than a thorn. >> and i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's true. >> it might work the other way. >> you heard that, might work the other way. demint's decision means that the center of politician action in 2014 will be in the state of south carolina. three marquee statewide contests down there, two senate races and the governor's race. the fighting atmosphere of the palmetto state is legendary. throw in all of the state contests, the presidential primary season that kicks off very early in that state because it's early. and you've got yourself a humdinger down there. south carolina governor nikki haley does get the job of appointing demint's replacement who will serve until 2014 when there is a special election. she said yesterday she could make that decision within a week. among the names in the mix, congressman tim scott, former congressman barrett, henry mcmaster who was a candidate for governor in 2010, nathan ballentine and ted pitts. now many conservatives made it clear that they prefer tim scott and are borde
's go with the $4 trillion. john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over ten years. you shouldn't be comparing those two nubs. what you should think about is $16 trillion. that's how much debt the country has. according to bill groesdz, the man who runs the biggest fund, ie, the man who decides how much we can spend and borrow, we have to cut spending or raise taxes. that's $1.6 trillion a year. that's $1.2 trillion a year more than the president proposes. and $1.38 trillion a year more than john boehner has offered. yeah. peanuts. i recently spoke with erskine bowles, the bowles of simpson-bowles, and he agrees that he's right. >> absolutely. he's 1pen hearst right. i don't know if 16 is the number, but i would be happier at $5 trillion or $6 trillion because that's what we need to solve the number long term. >> those are big numbers. i want to bring in john avlon right now. this is what i find so incredible. we get so focused on is there going to be a deal, and the politics of a deal and going off the cliff and if the cliff is a slope that we're missing the bigger picture that
speed as we now have just 20 days left. however, neither the white house nor house speaker boehner's office are giving any public indication that either side is yet prepared to give up real ground. on a road trip yesterday, president obama indicated that he is willing to compromise, just not on that point about an increase in tax for relthy americans. meantime, speaker boehner says he is still waiting on specific spending cuts. joining us now for analysis, tony fratto, of hamilton place strategies and former white house press secretary and gerald bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. gentlemen, thank you for being here with us and getting this special day of coverage kicked off for us. >> rising early and rising above. >> exactly. let's talk about this. jared, it seems like things have gotten quieter. do you think that's the case? is that a good sign? >> i think it's probably a pretty good sign. if you look at this morning's papers, you see a number of articles suggesting that there's a bit more compromise in the air. my concern is that tomorrow's papers ma
boehner did not go well. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin with today's long-range rocket launch that's managed to put a satellite in earth's orbit. here's why it is important to all of us. even though north korea is one of the poorest countries and many people are starving there, the korean peninsula is the most tense, most dangerous places on earth. there are roughly one million north korean troops on it is side of the militarize zone separating from south korea. as well as nearly 30,000 u.s. forces. not only are they within strikes distance of the launch site, a long-range rocket shows north korea is on its way to developing technology to launch a rocket at the united states's west coast and hawaii. officials tell cnn that the working assumption is that the north koreans got outside help from others, including iran. so today's launch is raising some huge concerns. let's go to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. i assume they are pretty surprised and alarmed by the successful launch over at the pentagon? >> look, wolf, because of everything you just me
that. but we heard early this evening that the president and speaker boehner did speak late today on the phone, so that's good news, but in this case, they need face time. they need to spend real time face to face. even democrats think the president needs to do more in person work on this. >> the president is not somebody who he's prioritizing evenings with his family instead of going down and having a bourbon on the rocks with some of the congressional folks. >> sometimes though, you need to do to bourbon like when the country needs you. bourbon, beer, wine, whatever, after a couple of drinks, the president and boehner could you know, pull a simpson. >> the lasso again, then the horse. the cowboys ride. the cowboys. >> that's the special beer that you would drink to get you to dance the gangnam style. president obama and john boehner did the gangnam style, your approval ratings might go up. "outfront" tonight, tom mcclintock of the budget committee. thank you for taking the time. we just showed a lot of your colleagues going home on a wednesday night after working a three-day wee
. . >>> casper, deep blue, bird, jordan, mcenroe, coners, boehner, obama. it is friday, december 7th, this is "now." >> joining me today, chief economic correspondent for politico ben white, editor at large for salon.com, joe walsh, queen bee and editing manager of the grio.com, and buzz fooeds.com ben smith. the labor department delivered a december surprise, which might just alter the debate over the fiscal cliff. despite predictions of stalled job creation in november in superstorm sandy and looming fiscal cliff, the nation added 146,000 jobs last month, and unemployment ticked down to 7.7%. while november's figures are higher than expected, september and october were revised down 16 and 33,000 jobs respectively. chief economists for moody's analytics mark zandi cautions november may see a downward revision but the numbers are a good sign. >> bottom line, feels like the job market is holding firm in the face of sandy and fiscal cliff concerns, so that's good news. >> surprising exactly no one, the white house and republicans had different spin on the numbers. >> if congress does a
with the $4 trillion. house speaker john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over 10 years. think about $16 trillion. that's how much debt this country has and according to bill gross, the man who runs the world's biggest bond fund, the guy that decides to lend money to the united states and how much we have to pay to borrow, says we have to cut spending or raise taxes by 11% of gdp over next 10 years and according to gross that's $1.6 trillion a year. that is, let's just make this clear, $1.2 trillion a year more than the president proposes and $1.38 trillion a year more than john boehner has offered. yeah. peanuts. i recently spoke with erskine bowles, the bowles in simpson-bowles and even he agreed that bill gross is right. >> absolutely. he's 100% right. i don't know if 16's number but i would be happier at $5 trillion or $6 trillion because that's what we need to solve the problem long term. >> those are big numbers. bilg gross will be with us in a moment. i want to bring in john avalon right now. this is what i find incredible we are getting so focused on the deal and the politics
of washington where speaker john boehner and obama are talking. this is actually not nothing, not in this town. early last week they really weren't talking, and neither were their staffs. progress on what to do about all those expiring tax cuts and schedule spending cuts and that possible recession congress might create, totally stalled. but now today they are talking, and their staffs are talking, and they're even exchanging paper, real paper. news leaked today that in the last few days, there have been new offers and new counteroffers in the negotiations. but they sound, to be honest, not that different from the old offers. reports that mr. obama has gone from $1.6 trillion in taxes to $1.4 trillion but hasn't budged much on entitlements. mr. boehner really hasn't moved on taxes at all. he is still i'm told at $800 billion, although details on his offer are sparse. earlier today i asked michael steele, john boehner's press secretary for details on the, quote, deal. i was writing quickly and meant to say offer, but i wrote deal. he wrote back we are not close to a deal.
became gentleman and house speaker boehner meet in a surprise closed door session trying to hammer out a fiscal cliff deal. >>> what makes a person black? my new documentary sparks conversation about the color of your skin and how it defines who you are. who is black in america? >>> you may start feeling less pain at the pump. gas prices are crashing and how long will it last? just ahead. >>> a mexican american singer, a superstar, dies in a plane crash. now her fans in mourning. we'll have details, straight ahead. >>> a packed two hours for you. new york mayor cory booker will join us. and poet journalist, angela davis will join us as well. gold medal olympic gymnast gabby douglas has written a new book. and judy chu is with us, and the macks join us, and singer adam lambert. monday, december 10th. and "starting point" begins right now. >>> wow, that's an ominous little graphic right there. yes that is because the fiscal cliff is what we're talking about this morning. that's the starting point. president obama and the house speaker speaking face to face for the first time in more than
to the president and john boehner, when they can't be bothered to talk to each other. so what did you discover? let me start with you, governor herbert. what was your take on the two meetings? >> well, we were honored to be invited. i think too many times, the states and governors have been overlooked and underappreciated and almost a second thought when it comes to some policies made so i applaud jack's leadership in getting us together in a bipartisan way through the national governors association. i thought we were well received. i think the president and the speaker and majority leader was appreciative of our insight and our concerns about them going over the fiscal cliff. >> right, but i mean, jack markell, that's all very well, i'm glad you all got on so swimmingly but what is actually going to get done here? there are 28 days to go until we fall off this cliff and the american people are frankly sick and tired of waiting for a bunch of politicians to try and sort something out and just play politics, just get on with it. >> well, we had a productive conversation with the president and his te
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